{"id":18417,"date":"2019-10-11T07:00:04","date_gmt":"2019-10-11T12:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.d20radio.com\/main\/?p=18417"},"modified":"2019-09-24T10:59:09","modified_gmt":"2019-09-24T15:59:09","slug":"finders-archives-pathfinder-edition-wars-and-why-fans-shouldnt-wage-them","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.d20radio.com\/main\/finders-archives-pathfinder-edition-wars-and-why-fans-shouldnt-wage-them\/","title":{"rendered":"Finder&#8217;s Archives &#8211; Pathfinder Edition Wars (and why fans shouldn&#8217;t wage them)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Hi everyone, and welcome to the Finder\u2019s Archives.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Today, we\u2019re going to move a bit\u00a0away from our normal fare, and look at one of the biggest goings-ons in the RPG industry today. And that is the release of Pathfinder 2!<\/p>\n<p>So, to begin with, we should establish Pathfinder Classic or Pathfinder 1, depending on what you call it. It grew out of the 3.0\/3.5 Dungeons &amp; Dragons movement back in the early 2000s. Initially, Paizo published the <em>Dragon<\/em> and <em>Dungeon<\/em> magazines, running from 2002 to 2007\u00a0\u2013\u00a0excelling with their adventures and the adventure path Age of Worms. In August 2007 Wizards of the Coast announced the release of 4<sup>th<\/sup> Edition (which later turned out to be highly controversial and deeply divided the player base). Of more concern to Paizo was that the Game System License with 4<sup>th<\/sup> edition was a lot more restrictive than the Open Gaming License that 3.0 and 3.5 ran under, and which allowed people to freely create their own material for those D&amp;D editions.<\/p>\n<p>In 2008 Paizo then announced Pathfinder\u00a0\u2013\u00a0informally nicknamed D&amp;D 3.75. It was intended to be compatible with 3.0\/3.5, but to streamline certain bumps and problems with the game. It did so to great acclaim, but as can only be expected with a game that\u2019s 11 years old by now, and built upon a base that\u2019s up to 8 years older, it had a lot of rules and content bloat.<\/p>\n<p>Enter D&amp;D 5<sup>th<\/sup> edition in 2014 by Wizards of the Coast. It is arguably the most popular version of the game to date, having a low barrier of entry into the rules (though the 3 rulebooks are expensive), and a more restrictive Open Gaming License than Pathfinder. It is easy for people to play, however, and just looking at the sheer amount of streams and liveplays that you can find on sites like Youtube, well, you can easily see that it\u2019s popular.<\/p>\n<p>However, 5<sup>th<\/sup> Edition has some detractors\u00a0as well, and while I like the system, I can certainly\u00a0see where they\u2019re coming from, as it is very simplified. You do not get a whole lot of choice (at least if you stick to the core book) with each class having only a few options and choices throughout. For experienced players, it does not provide the same scope as Pathfinder does, but Pathfinder 1 had become such a beast that\u00a0it\u2019d be hard for anyone to swallow.<\/p>\n<p>And that takes us to Pathfinder 2. It was released a little over a month ago, to what can only be called a mixed reception. There are those who love what it brings to the table (I\u2019m one of them), but also those who feel that their whole library has been invalidated somehow, by this release. I personally\u00a0feel that Pathfinder 2 is step forward, as it sets in the middle of the ease-of-play of 5<sup>th<\/sup> edition, and the complexity and depth of Pathfinder 1. Even in the core book, you have thousands of choices that you can make (and no, I\u2019m not exaggerating with that number\u00a0\u2013\u00a0it outstrips Pathfinder 1 by a factor of about 50) and the new action system\u00a0\u2013\u00a0where you get 3 actions on your turn\u00a0\u2013\u00a0works incredibly well.<\/p>\n<p><strong>BUT\u00a0\u2013\u00a0AND THIS IS THE BIG ONE TO ALL THE PATHFINDER 1 LOVERS OUT THERE!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>You don\u2019t have to abandon your Pathfinder 1\u00a0\u2013\u00a0unlike Wizards of the Coast when they released 4<sup>th<\/sup> (and 5<sup>th<\/sup> Edition), Paizo have not abandoned all support of their Pathfinder 1 line. You\u2019ll still be able to get the official rulebooks in PDFs from them, as well as get the paperback version of the rulebooks. They\u2019ve promised to keep printing them as long as they sell.<\/p>\n<p>The second thing is this, and this is the one that\u2019s likely flown under the radar for many. There is a Pathfinder 1.5 system that\u2019s taken Pathfinder 1 to build on and streamline, called <a href=\"https:\/\/www.drivethrurpg.com\/product\/238023\/Porphyra-Roleplaying-Game?affiliate_id=333832\">Porphyra Roleplaying Game<\/a>, which has regrettably flown under the radar for many, as it\u2019s being released by a small 3<sup>rd<\/sup> Party Publisher. It\u2019s created by Mark Gedak with a team over at Purple Duck Games\u00a0\u2013\u00a0and they\u2019ve dedicated themselves to making the best version of the game that they can. It\u2019s available on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.drivethrurpg.com\/product\/238023\/Porphyra-Roleplaying-Game?affiliate_id=333832\">DRIVETHRURPG<\/a> as most are, and the game is still being developed as is. The rules seem to all be in place, but some of the art is still being put in (I\u2019m assuming Mark is waiting for the artists), but if you don\u2019t like Pathfinder 2, but want to continue with something like Pathfinder 1\u00a0\u2013\u00a0I think you should check this out, as it\u2019s only $14.99.<br \/>\nI would <strong>STRONGLY <\/strong>advise you to read the review on the book by Thilo G. however\u00a0\u2013\u00a0that is the man also known as Endzeitgeist\u00a0\u2013\u00a0as it really dives into the details of Porphyra and who might enjoy it.<\/p>\n<p>So to all the Pathfinder and D&amp;D fans out there: There\u2019s a game for you, regardless of the level of play, complexity, and depth that you\u2019re looking for. And instead of having edition wars and calls of \u201cOh, X sucks because of this,\u201d lean back, and enjoy the fact that your hobby is more alive than ever, and that there\u2019s room for us all. 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