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 Post subject: Force power mishap... Still in Suite?
 Post Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:41 am 
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The rules seem silent on this...

Lets say I am a jedi and I use my Use The Force skill to Move Object.
Minimum DC of 15.

I roll a 2, add my UTF and get an 11.

Miss. No Move Object for me.

BUT>>> if I fail to use the power (i.e. less than the minimum required DC roll), is the power considered "spent" and is taken out of my Force suite? i.e. not be able to use it again this encounter (barring Nat 20's, use of Force Points, etc...).
Even though it did not actually get used?

I cannot seem to find anything in the rules about this...

Thanks for the help!
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 Post subject: Re: Force power mishap... Still in Suite?
 Post Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:03 am 
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Yes, as soon as you choose to attempt to activate a Force power, it's considered spent, regardless of whether you hit the minimum DC required or not. So for your example, you've pretty much spent your Move Object power and have nothing to show for it.

It's part of why Skill Focus is so attractive an option for Force-users, becuase it means they'll have better odds of getting at least the minimal effect out of their powers.

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 Post subject: Re: Force power mishap... Still in Suite?
 Post Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:32 am 
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Far being for me to question you Donovan, but is that in the CRB, or somewhere else?

I just need to be prep-ed for one of my players (rule lawyer... Why do I play with this guy???) :roll:
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 Post subject: Re: Force power mishap... Still in Suite?
 Post Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:44 am 
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Well, IF I remember correctly, there's a couple talents that let you keep certain force powers if you don't meet the minimum requirement, but I forget where

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 Post subject: Re: Force power mishap... Still in Suite?
 Post Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:14 pm 
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richarDISNEY wrote:
Far being for me to question you Donovan, but is that in the CRB, or somewhere else?

I just need to be prep-ed for one of my players (rule lawyer... Why do I play with this guy???) :roll:
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Page 95, SWSE, under Using Force Powers
"Using a Force Power removes it from your character's Active Suite of Force Powers, regardless of whether the Use the Force skill check succeeds or fails".

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 Post subject: Re: Force power mishap... Still in Suite?
 Post Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:36 pm 
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Yup. I can agree to that. Very wise indeed. Not sure about the 'terrible'..

Thanks for the 'ammo'. I got a feeling I will be needing it soon... ;)
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 Post subject: Re: Force power mishap... Still in Suite?
 Post Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:39 pm 
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Green Lizard wrote:
Well, IF I remember correctly, there's a couple talents that let you keep certain force powers if you don't meet the minimum requirement, but I forget where

There's nothing like that to my knowledge in SWSE, but there is the talent Skillful Recovery (GoI 21) which is almost as good—it gives you a free Force point with a failed skill check. However the FP can only be used to add to a skill check with that skill.

There are a small number of "once per encounter" character options that, if you fail to activate them, remain "unused." But Force powers aren't one of them.

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 Post subject: Re: Force power mishap... Still in Suite?
 Post Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:32 pm 
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Awaypturwpn wrote:
Green Lizard wrote:
Well, IF I remember correctly, there's a couple talents that let you keep certain force powers if you don't meet the minimum requirement, but I forget where

There's nothing like that to my knowledge in SWSE, but there is the talent Skillful Recovery (GoI 21) which is almost as good—it gives you a free Force point with a failed skill check. However the FP can only be used to add to a skill check with that skill.

There are a small number of "once per encounter" character options that, if you fail to activate them, remain "unused." But Force powers aren't one of them.


I think he might be referring to the "Savant" Force talents, but those only let you return a Force power with a certain descriptor to your Force suite for free once an encounter.

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 Post subject: Re: Force power mishap... Still in Suite?
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Ahh, Skillful recovery was probably what it was. Sorry

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