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Thanks for the help Cyril and while I get what you're saying, I'm not really sure how well that will fit. It's definitely a nifty idea, but since I plan to invest most of my talents into the malkite tree, it's probably not something I'll have access to until later.

I'll definitely look into flavoring the droids attacks up towards delivering poison though, definitely seems like a viable option.

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Hey guys, I'm about to start a new campaign here pretty shortly ( dawn of defiance ) and I've been mulling around the concept of playing a light-hearted character. I've got all the idea's in mind, but just need help making them work mechanically.

So here goes:

I'm trying to create a Jawa Shaman, who is I would say fairly strong on the force, but to outsiders it looks more like magic, but to the trained eye, maybe some uncanny luck. He is the head of a little tribe of jawa's and has a minion or two to help out here and there.

Criteria:
- jawa
- force sensitive
- force powers
- have some means to attract minions / leadership

Thanks everyone!

If you want minions, you should take the talents that grant followers, found in the Clone Wars CG. There's Inspire Loyalty (Noble), Reconnaissance Team Leader (Scout), or Commanding Officer (Soldier). You can choose either the aggressive, defensive, or utility follower template for your follower. Depeding on which talent you choose, you can then pick up 2nd-tier and 3rd-tier talents that boost your minions.

A force power that works well with minions is Enlighten. (Legacy Era page 54)

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Hey GamerNation, I'm looking for two good builds on short notice

1) I am in need of a CL 7 Jensaarai Defender, who has chosen a Sarlacc as the "animal" he can relate to.
The player character is allowed to take levels in the Imperial Knight PrC, so it would be nice if he already had the needed prerequisites for that class (EDIT: aside from the "Defender of Roan Fel" bit).

2) I also would like to see your best CL 7 Iron Knight build. I was thinking very standard Jedi options, but also some cool droid stuff (maybe telescoping arms, hidden rail detonator, stuff like that). He's devoted both to the Jedi Order and to the light side.

One more thing, this is in the New Jedi Order and during the Vong War, so while they could have one or two mind-affecting options (i.e. Force abilities that target Will Defense), that should not be their mainstay or they will be at a significant disadvantage

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I had a hard time trying to figure out what a Sarlacc could do for the Jensaarai's armor, but I settled on stealth, since Sarlaccs are good at camoflage.

Also, I wasn't sure what species you wanted, so I just made Human. If you need to use another species, just replace the bonus trained skill and bonus feat with the new species traits.

Jensaarai Defender CL 7

Medium Human Jedi 4/soldier 3
Force 8
Init +8; Senses Perception +10
Languages Basic, Sith
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Defenses Ref 18 (flat-footed 18), Fort 23, Will 20
hp 63; second wind +15/31; Threshold 23
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Speed 6 squares
Melee lightsaber +10 (2d8+5) or
Melee lightsaber +10 (2d8+7) with both hands or
Melee lightsaber +14 (2d8+10) with Powerful Charge or
Melee unarmed +9 (1d4+5) or
Melee unarmed +13 (1d4+8) with Powerful Charge
Ranged by weapon +7
Base Atk +7; Grp +9
Atk Options Brink of Death [LECG p.35], Power Attack [Core p.87], Powerful Charge [Core p.87]
Special Actions Attune Armor [Core p.107], Force Cloak
Force Powers Known (Use The Force +15) ballistakinesis [LECG p.53], battle strike [Core p.96] (3), surge [Core p.100], Makashi riposte [JATM p.32]
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Abilities Str 15, Dex 10, Con 10, Int 12, Wis 14, Cha 14
Special Qualities build lightsaber
Talents Armored Defense [Core p.52], Attune Armor [Core p.107], Force Cloak [Core p.107], Juggernaut [Core p.52]
Feats Armor Proficiency (light, medium) [Core p.82], Brink of Death [LECG p.35], Force Sensitivity [Core p.85], Force Training (2) [Core p.85], Power Attack [Core p.87], Powerful Charge [Core p.87], Skill Focus (Use the Force) [Core p.88], Weapon Proficiency (lightsabers, simple weapons) [Core p.89]
Primary Skills Acrobatics +8, Initiative +8, Perception +10, Stealth +8, Use the Force +15
Secondary Skills Climb +5, Deception +5, Endurance +3, Gather Information +5, Jump +5, Knowledge +4, Mechanics +4, Persuasion +5, Pilot +3, Ride +3, Survival +5, Swim +5, Treat Injury +5, Use Computer +4
Possessions cortosis gauntlet, Custom-built Attuned Jensaarai armor (treat as Dark armor but with Shadowskin instead of Sith alchemy; +9 armor, +4 equipment), self-built lightsaber


Human bonus feat: Brink of Death
Human bonus trained skill: Acrobatics or Perception

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I had never built an Iron Knight before. They are very tricky! Anyway, the Droid body based on Jugernaut War Droid (KOTOR page 86), hence the funky built-in ranged weapons. The build specializes on making opponents flat-footed with Droid Duelist, which can be used without spending a FP twice per encounter. Then you can deal +1d6 and -1 CT damage (Sentinel Strike/Dastardly Strike). Block and Deflect are replaced by Shien Deflection and Makashi Riposte.

As an alternative, you can replace the Force Repair talent with Mask Presence or Silicon Mind.


Iron Knight CL 7

Medium Shard soldier 3/Jedi 3/scoundrel 1
Force 8
Init +8; Senses low-light vision; Perception +13
Languages Basic, Binary

Defenses Ref 22 (flat-footed 22), Fort 21, Will 21
hp 61; second wind +15/30; Threshold 21

Speed 6 squares (walking)
Melee lightsaber +9 (2d8+5) or
Melee lightsaber +9 (2d8+7) with both hands or
Melee unarmed +8 (1d4+5)
Ranged pulse-wave rifle +6 (2d8+3) or
Ranged pulse-wave rifle +1 (2d8+3) with autofire or
Ranged heavy sonic pistol +6 (2d8+3) or
Ranged Shatter Beam +6 (3d8+3)
Base Atk +6; Grp +8
Atk Options autofire (pulse-wave rifle), Dastardly Strike [Core p.46], Droid Duelist [JATM p.79], Point Blank Shot [Core p.87]
Special Actions Force Repair [JATM p.79], Sentinel Strike +1d6
Force Powers Known (Use The Force +15) Makashi riposte [JATM p.32] (2), Shien deflection [JATM p.34] (2)

Abilities Str 14, Dex 10, Con 10, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 15
Special Qualities build lightsaber, droid shell
Talents Dastardly Strike [Core p.46], Droid Duelist [JATM p.79], Force Harmony [JATM p.16], Force Repair [JATM p.79], Sentinel Strike [KOTOR p.25]
Feats Armor Proficiency (heavy, light, medium) [Core p.82], Force Sensitivity [Core p.85], Force Training [Core p.85], Point Blank Shot [Core p.87], Recurring Success (Force Harmony) [GOI p.28], Skill Focus (Use the Force) [Core p.88], Weapon Proficiency (lightsabers, pistols, rifles, simple weapons) [Core p.89]
Primary Skills Initiative +8, Perception +13, Use Computer +8, Use the Force +15
Secondary Skills Acrobatics +3, Climb +5, Deception +5, Endurance +3, Gather Information +5, Jump +5, Knowledge (bureaucracy) +3, Knowledge (galactic lore) +3, Knowledge (life sciences) +3, Knowledge (physical sciences) +3, Knowledge (social sciences) +3, Knowledge (tactics) +3, Knowledge (technology) +3, Mechanics +3, Persuasion +5, Pilot +3, Ride +3, Stealth +3, Survival +6, Swim +5, Treat Injury +6
Systems 2 hand appendages (telescopic), internal comlink, translator unit (DC 10), vocabulator, walking locomotion, improved sensor package, crystadurium plating (+10 armor, reduces blaster damage by 1 point per die of damage)
Possessions Shatter Beam (as heavy blaster pistol that deals double damage to unattended objects), heavy sonic pistol, jet pack, lightsaber, pulse-wave rifle

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True that!

You rock, richter. Thanks for these.

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You're welcome. One note about the Shard Jedi. If he wants to take Jedi Knight, he'll have to wait until minimum level 9 instead of level 8. This is because the Scoundrel level sets his BAB back by 1 point, and you need +7 BAB to get into Jedi Knight. If that's a problem, simply replace the Scoundrel level with a level of Soldier or Jedi, then he'll be able to pick up JK at level 8. Of course, that removes the Dastardly Strike effect.

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Hello,

Could you help me with these :

- A CL3 Heroic (choose a good specie for this character concept) female, medium size, high dexterity and charisma, force sensitive, acrobatics and initiative, good with a lightsaber 28 PB.

- A CL3 Heroic (choose a good specie for this character concept) male, medium size, high wisdom and constitution, force sensitive, stealth and survival, simple melee weapon, no lightsaber 28 PB.

???

I'm reading a Jedi Guardian-type, and a Force Wizard-type.

Depending on the era you're playing, it sounds like you might be after a Nagai for the first character.
The second might be a Felucian Shaman. Or perhaps an Anzat (Stealth & Survival are class skills, so you could be a Soldier or Noble or whatever). Other choices for high con/wis builds don't really scream "Force user"

Here's the Nagai female:


Female Lightsaber-User CL 3

Medium Nagai Jedi 3
Force 6
Init +9; Senses Perception +1
Languages Basic, Felucianese, Nagaian

Defenses Ref 19 (flat-footed 16), Fort 13, Will 14; Block, Deflect
hp 41; second wind +10/20; Threshold 13

Speed 6 squares
Melee long-handle lightsaber +6 (2d8+2) or
Melee long-handle lightsaber +6 (2d10+2) with both hands or
Melee tehk'la blade +6 (2d6+2)
Ranged by weapon +6
Base Atk +3; Grp +6
Atk Options Acrobatic Strike
Special Actions Combat Reflexes

Abilities Str 12, Dex 17, Con 8, Int 12, Wis 10, Cha 17
Special Qualities soothing voice
Talents Block, Deflect
Feats Acrobatic Strike, Combat Reflexes, Force Sensitivity, Weapon Finesse, Weapon Proficiency (lightsabers, simple weapons)
Primary Skills Acrobatics +9, Initiative +9, Persuasion +4 (may reroll but must keep the result of the reroll even if worse), Use the Force +9
Secondary Skills Climb +2, Deception +4, Endurance +0, Gather Information +4, Jump +2, Knowledge (bureaucracy) +2, Knowledge (galactic lore) +2, Knowledge (life sciences) +2, Knowledge (physical sciences) +2, Knowledge (social sciences) +2, Knowledge (tactics) +2, Knowledge (technology) +2, Mechanics +2, Perception +1, Pilot +4, Ride +4, Stealth +4, Survival +1, Swim +2, Treat Injury +1, Use Computer +2
Possessions long-handle lightsaber, tehk'la blade

Nagai are a tough sell outside of the late Rebellion/New Republic/Legacy Era, so if you're wanting something different let me know. This build makes use of her high Dex by taking the Weapon Finesse and Combat Reflexes feats. Coming up: the tendril-faced, amphibious Force user.

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Here's a Felucian Force-user. He's got lots of Force Points for spending on his two talents: Detonate and Infuse Weapon. I would recommend Jedi for next level, giving him the opportunity to take Instinctive Attack as a bonus feat. Good synergy for his Infused Weapon attacks.
He should also probably take the Force Harmony talent (allowing him to use Detonate once/encounter for free) at some point. Give him another Force Training feat at level 6, and consider going further in the Jedi class to gain access to Strong in the Force as a bonus feat.


Klerrek CL 3

Medium Felucian scout 2/Jedi 1
Force 9
Init +1; Senses low-light vision; Perception +4
Languages Felucianese

Defenses Ref 15 (flat-footed 15), Fort 16, Will 17
hp 42; second wind +15/21; Threshold 16
Immune drowning

Speed 6 squares
Melee Felucian skullblade +4 (2d6+3) or
Melee spear +4 (1d8+3) or
Melee spear +4 (1d8+5) with both hands
Ranged by weapon +2
Base Atk +2; Grp +4
Special Actions Shake it Off
Force Powers Known (Use The Force +11) battle strike, Force blast, Force grip, Force shield, vital transfer

Abilities Str 14, Dex 10, Con 15, Int 8, Wis 16, Cha 11
Special Qualities breathe underwater, natural camouflage
Talents Detonate, Infuse Weapon
Feats Force Boon, Force Sensitivity, Force Training, Shake it Off, Skill Focus (Use the Force), Weapon Proficiency (lightsabers, simple weapons)
Primary Skills Endurance +8, Stealth +6 (may reroll to sneak but must keep the result of the reroll even if worse), Survival +9, Use the Force +11
Secondary Skills Acrobatics +1, Climb +3, Deception +1, Gather Information +1, Initiative +1, Jump +3, Knowledge (bureaucracy) +0, Knowledge (galactic lore) +0, Knowledge (life sciences) +0, Knowledge (physical sciences) +0, Knowledge (social sciences) +0, Knowledge (tactics) +0, Knowledge (technology) +0, Mechanics +0, Perception +4, Persuasion +1, Pilot +1, Ride +1, Swim +3, Treat Injury +4, Use Computer +0
Possessions Felucian skullblade, spear

Like I said before, if this doesn't quite work for you or your group, just let us know some more specifics.

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I'm starting a new KOTOR campaign on Friday. I've come up with an idea for a Mrlssi noble. He's a corporate tycoon, son and heir to a very wealthy corporation on his home planet, force sensitive from a young age. Eventually he will end up a Sith Lord, think Evil Yoda meeds Darth Plagueis.

I've come up with a basic build I quite like. However, we have a notoriously tough GM and another player I play with is hell bent on superiority, he looks for breaks and tries to exploit them. He also often works hard to impose his will on the weaker members of the party. Obviously as a Sith Lord, I cannot stand for this. Can anyone see any ways I can strengthen my character concept to help combat this? He is also likely playing a droid.

Here's the build:

Malaeth -Mrlssi Sith Lord (+2 int +2 cha, -2 str,)

Point Buy - 25

STR: 7 [-2] (0)
DEX: 16 (10) REF: 16
CON: 8 (0) FORT: 10
INT: 13 [+2] (3)
WIS: 14 (6) WILL: 15
CHA: 15 [+2] (5)

Skills: 6+2

Skills: Persuade, Deception, Initiative, Perception, Knowledge Galactic Lore*, Gather information, Use computer, Knowledge Bureaucracy.

Starting Feats: Linguist, Weapon Proficiencies: Simple and Pistols.

Languages: Basic, Mrlsstese, Huttese, Durese, Rodese

HP: 17, FP: 5
Credits: 3d4x400
Level Feat/Talent Other
1 - Noble Force Sensitive, wealthy, linguist*, skill focus persuasion*
2 -Jedi Weapon prof - LS, Deflect
3 - Jedi Weapon finesse, Force training
4 - Jedi Block +1 CHA, +1 DEX
5 - Jedi (Need feat suggestion)
6 - Jedi Power of the Dark Side, Force training
7 - Soldier Swift Power
8 - Sith Apprentice Dark Healing +1 WIS, +1 CHA
9 - Sith Apprentice Force Point Recovery, Skill Focus - UTF

Only house rule is no Skill Focus UTF until 9th.

I'd like to try to get a level of Scout in there for Long stride if possible? Otherwise I'll have to rely on Surge to close melee distance?

Also can anyone suggest some good uses of my money form the Wealthy talent.

Are you talking about player vs. player? Is the player imposing his will on other players? Or is his character doing it? I’m not a big fan of player vs. player.



You forgot to train in Use the Force



How did you get skill focus persuasion at level 1? Did I miss a house rule somewhere? Also, what do the asteriks (*) indicate?



I recommend against taking a level of Scout because it does not increase your BAB. Your character has already taken a “BAB hit” by starting in Noble. I think using Surge is just fine.

Also, you should list your Force powers. I recommend Force Lightning, Dark Rage, Fear, Move Object, Force Grip, and perhaps others depending on your build. Force Shield, Negate Energy, and Intercept are excellent defensive powers. Force Shield has the advantage of lasting several rounds if you’re willing to stand there and spend a standard action each round maintaining it. Negate Energy has the advantage of healing the damage you negate with a FP, which is awesome.

Which will you be using more: lightsaber or Force powers? If lightsaber, you should consider taking Stolen Form: Ataru. If so, you should take Weapon Focus (lightsabers) at level 5 (Jedi 4 bonus feat).



Find a Superior Tech specialist to upgrade your lightsaber if possible. I recommend Superior Accuracy. I found this house rule that I like for locating a Tech Specialist:

Find a Tech Specialist (house rule)
• DC 20 to find a mechanic to perform a Tech Specialist upgrade (see feat description for price)
• DC 30 to find a mechanic to perform a Superior Tech upgrade (see feat description for price)
• increase DC by 5 if looking in a place that would not likely have someone of this specialty
• optional: GM makes this roll secretly. Failure by 5 or more results in finding a “scam” mechanic, who will either take the money and disappear, or install substandard parts that result in item’s malfunction (ex: roll of natural 1-4, item is disabled and must be replaced; or GM can keep track of lower damage while player thinks he is dealing higher damage)

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@richterbelmont, Mrlssi gain Skill Focus (Persuasion) as a species bonus feat.
Also, what skill are you thinking of for those DCs on locating a Tech Specialist/Superior Tech mechanic? Gather Info? I like that houserule a lot.

@Iced2k, this player that you have that you have that is "hell bent on superiority" seems like a major problem. I am definitely not a fan of passive-aggressive confrontation in gaming groups (i.e. your character did something I personally don't like, so I'm going to have my character do something to write that perceived wrong). You end up with a lot of in-fighting, which often leads to having a frustrated GM and at least one player who feels slighted. It's just bad mojo.
My advice, work out your issues with the player one-on-one. Don't do it at the game table, and ESPECIALLY don't do it in-character. Try to promote group unity and teamwork at the table.

I guess if you're playing an aspiring Sith Lord you're gonna have some darker tendencies, but recognize that every body needs somebody, sometimes...even Sith Lords

As far as your build goes, for Jedi 4 maybe take Instinctive Attack (from the Unknown Regions). It's a nice feat if you're planning on using your FP's to beef up your attack rolls, and it greatly reduces your overall chance of missing. But that depends on whether you'll be using your lightsaber a lot.

For Jedi talents, I would suggest Adept Negotiator and Master Negotiator. It's very Dun Möch (Sith technique), and makes use of your free Skill Focus (Persuasion). Leave defense to your Force Powers. And yeah like richter said, Stolen Form (Ataru) is a great pick if you're planning on lightsaber-usage. Use Master Negotiator to take foes down a notch or two, and then lay into them with your saber.

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Thanks guys,

Do you think it's a little silly not taking Deflect and Block? I really like the idea of the Adept Negotiator and Master Negotiator talents, but don't want to get swatted by the first blaster volley that comes along?

We played our first session last night, it went very well, I can't believe how useful all my skills and checks were. The best moment was when I'd entered a really swanky bar to pick up some information and dropped 1,000 credits on their most expensive bottle of wine. Let's just say it had the desired effect!

I'm toying with the idea of a little crime lord in the build later on, but I really like to plan characters organically and not rigidly stick to a build from the start.

The question really is: At next level I'll take jedi. Should I take deflect and worry about the negotiator talents later on or should I take Adept Negotiator next level?