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You have no idea how hard I was searching for something to buff up my grapple check, since even after Stava Training I was essentially just breaking even. When I found Grapple Resistance it was almost too good to be true.

Thanks for the response!

I am not in a game currently, but the last game I was in we encountered the dreaded grappling system questions time and again. Even if we follow raving dorks grapple system to a T, there are TONS of questions that come up if you are using a snare rifle. Which I did. As my only real weapon for most of the game. Things that we wondered were things like, can you move after pinning someone and does this change if you pinned them with a snare rifle? And what happens to raving dorks system of grabbed, grappled, and pinned when using a snare rifle? Ultimately we house ruled it to the best of our abilities. But I would like to see thoughts on this from another GM.

I have a simple question about grappling and I tough id post it here.

When you are not proficient in the armor you are wearing you take a penalty to your attack. So the unarmed attack to initiate the grab is penalized, but Is the opposed grapple check penalized ?

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According to RAW, no.

But I think that's a decision that fell through the cracks. As a GM, I'd enforce that penalty to grapple checks for my own players.

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I'm pretty sure that the answer to this is "yes," but if you have the Pin and/or Trip feats, but not Martial Arts I, do you still provoke an attack of opportunity if you attempt to initiate a grapple?

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As a GM, I would also so that any attempt to grab/grapple provokes an Attack of Opportunity without Martial Arts I, as part of that feat's benefit is that "your unarmed attacks do not provoke an AoO."

Then again, I think I recall reading/hearing that according to Mr. Sarli, having Pin/Trip negated the AoO for a grab/grapple as well, but on a personal level I don't entirely agree with that. Even a well-trained grappler is going to leave themselves open as trying to get a solid hold on someone is a lot harder than just slugging them in the breadbasket.

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I cast Raise Thread... I mean I use Improved Dark Transfer with a DP...

How does grappling interact with forced movement? Can I use Bantha Rush on a grabbed, grappled, or pinned character? Can I help out a pinned ally by using Force thrust on him or the grappler? Can the grabbed or grappled character use a Bantha Rush to end the grab or grapple?

Would it be unreasonable for a character who has grappled an enemy to forgo the automatic damage and instead disarm the enemy?

Is Bone Crusher simply a better feat than Rancor Crush because Bone Crusher includes ALL damage? Do they stack if a character uses Crush on a pinned character and has both?

Is it mechanically possible for Vader both grapple/grab AND move the Emperor to the Death Star shaft?

One more thing, can a character grapple or grab an enemy who has grappled or grabbed them? Can they grapple or grab an enemy aside from the enemy who is grabbing or grappling them?

I was thinking about this the other day. If a character who can grapple does so against an armed opponent, can they then perform a disarm attack without having to roll to hit? This would be a pretty slick way to get around that nasty +10 to REF for a disarm (not to mention the -5 to the roll if they are holding the weapon with two hands!)

I can see how this would make sense from an in-game perspective - seems to me that it would be easier to disarm someone who you have pinned.

Any thoughts?

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I'm thinking the answer would be yes, because they can't really use their weapon. However, I would think that if it was a weapon you would be able to use in a grapple, you would have to roll, just because they can still use their weapon. I do think however, you'd get a bonus to your disarm attempt.

As always, you can't disarm a natural weapon! (unless you have nail clippers )

EDIT: I don't think that you'd be able to do it, because the Core rulebook specifically states (again, I have the old version, so correct me if I'm wrong), "Alternatively, if you are armed with a light weapon, you may deal damage with that weapon if you win the opposed grapple check; no attack roll is necessary"

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Yes, except that unarmed is considered a light weapon for this as well as other purposes in the game (i.e. Weapon Finesse).

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Quoting from the Saga Edition Core Rulebook: "The galaxy is a dangerous place (p. 143)...bad things happen sometimes. (p.246)"

Merging this with the Grappling 101 Sticky thread in this forum for convenience.

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I'm gonna have to go with a no on this one, or no at least in regards to bypassing that +10 to Reflex Defense. Doing a Disarm is entirely separate from making an attack, so if you want to Disarm that Heavy Stormtrooper of his light repeating blaster rifle, you're going to need to deal with the full penalties of making a Disarm attack, even if you have the guy grappled.

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Not even a courtesy +5 or +2 on the check? Even when they're pinned? (Of course we're referring to a theoretical ability to disarm an opponent when you're pinning them).

ANYWAY, my older questions still stand:

How does grappling interact with forced movement? Can I use Bantha Rush on a grabbed, grappled, or pinned character? Can I help out a pinned ally by using Force thrust on him or the grappler? Can the grabbed or grappled character use a Bantha Rush to end the grab or grapple?

Would it be unreasonable for a character who has grappled an enemy to forgo the automatic damage and instead attempt to disarm the enemy?

Is Bone Crusher simply a better feat than Rancor Crush because Bone Crusher includes ALL damage? Do they stack if a character uses Crush on a pinned character and has both?

Is it mechanically possible for Vader both grapple/grab AND move the Emperor to the Death Star shaft?

One more thing, can a character grapple or grab an enemy who has grappled or grabbed them? Can they grapple or grab an enemy aside from the enemy who is grabbing or grappling them?

A GM could provide a favorable circumstance bonus if they so wished, but by RAW, the grappler would get bupkiss.


I think you can, but it immediately ends the grab/grapple and its effects. If you as the grabbed/grappled target had Bantha Rush and could make a successful melee attack, then again you've broken the grab/grapple.


You could, but aside from the favorable circumstance bonus granted by a benevolent GM, you don't get any kind of bonus to the disarm roll.


Bone Crusher is better than Rancor Crush, and they would stack, making for a very nasty grapple-based CT killer.


With a bit of GM fiat/approval, sure. Though he probably made a grab attack, used a move action to "manipulate an object" and beating Palps on an opposed Strength check, then spent his final Destiny Point to act out of turn and toss the old geezer to his cinematic demise as a standard action.


I would say no, as you're already grabbed or involved in a grapple.

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I had this come up in a game a few months back. The situation was that a group of grappling Anzati soup-suckers were really taking it to the party members' CTs. One Jedi decided to use Move Object on his ally in an attempt to get him away from the grappler. I ruled that his Use the Force check had to oppose the grapple check of the Anzati. If I recall correctly he was able to free his ally.

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