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Thank ya! At least you admit it. That sinus infection after GenCon really just jacked up my free time ever since.




R.C. Jr pointed out the SRD stuff and the printing woes quite nicely, but I did want to add that the core books are the only books that are being duplicated in that fashion, for all the reasons he mentioned. In the end, they had to strike a fiscally responsible balance with the business cost constraints. I mean, they don't have extra land they can just bury unsold product under, a'la TSR... *coughcoughdragondice**

FWIW, I'm actively using a number of 3.5 books in my current campaign with very-little-to-no extra effort, from Necromancer, Goodman games, and WotC. I actually just purchased MORE WotC books (yay Amazon new/used books option and RPGNow PDFs!) because of how solid the conversion is to pull things from.

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I've got the book. I'm trying to get a game going for demo purposes.

I think I'm shifting back to 3.5ish mechanics vs 4th Ed. Don't hate me . To each their own, but I think I would prefer 3.5 with tweaks.

Getting together premades and a fun cliche adventure for my friends when I get a chance.

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well it would seem as though i sparked quite the debate here. i am still trying to find the time to dive head first into this book and really get what it's all about.

from the posts here it would seem that those people that still like and want to play 3.5 D&D like the book and that they did with, and those that have don't want to play 3.5 don't like the book. this is just the conclusion i reached from reading through the posts, if i am wrong sorry.

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Nothing to apologize for as I think you summed it up pretty nicely. As is often the case with many things, it's a matter of taste.

Those of us that are soured on 3.X don't care for Pathfinder because ultimately it's the same old song and dance, just a slightly different melody that does nothing for us.

Those of us that really enjoyed 3.X but felt it needed some tweaking enjoy Pathfinder because it's a tune they know and love quite well, just some of the melody is changed to make the whole song flow a bit better while keeping the same essential beat.

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so i have managed to read through a bit more of the book and thought i would bring up something that i really like.

wizards specializing in a school...

...they actually get some very nice benefits to specializing, extra spells and some nice special abilities.

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The Bestiary is out now . . . amazing looking book, and I'm really excited about throwing some of these monsters at the PCs in my upcoming campaign. Nothing like a monster book to make you want to throw encounters at your PCs.

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This is some really good discussion!


My beta for a fantasy setting campaign guide for Saga Edition will be finished by end of November. Just sayin'.

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I've been making due with the Bestiary content on the Pathfinder RD for the past week. Now that I have a Bestiary in hand, I am so excited to unleash they beasties. Too bad the froghemoth is CR 13. I doubt my level 4 group could take it.

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Having gotten myself a PDF of the Bestiary (can't argue with the price, especially with the Norwegian Krone being particularly strong against the Dollar, currently ), paging through it immediately made me want to run a Pathfinder campaign. I ended up also buying the first module in the Council of Thieves Adventure Path, which from a quick look-through appears to be an excellent investment, and I'm really looking forward to running it, after first adapting it to the homebrew setting I'm devising. I don't have anything against Golarion, really, I'm just not at all familiar with it, and would feel out of place running a game in that setting. Also, world-building is fun.


I really like both 3.5 and 4E (making me an oddity on these forums, appearently ), but right now, Pathfinder is definitely my favorite fantasy RPG system, and definitely the one that has me the most excited about playing and running games.

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you're not as much an oddity as you might think. i to enjoy 3.5 and 4e, my problem right now is that i can't get really into a 4e type character. i'm not sure why but every character concept that i think of just works so much better in 3.5, and i don't want to play a character that i am less than thrilled about just to stay with 4e. which make pathfinder even more desirable because it seems a bit more refined than 3.5.

a friend of mine (Lord Ironballs) and i are in the early stages of creating a campaign setting and story to play a pathfinder game.. providing i can get the other members of my group on board to play.

i, unfortunately, have yet to get the bestiary, but am eagerly awaiting the day i get the money to pick it up. i do have the previews that piazo released and what is in there looks very good, especially the art...

...the art in both of these books is efing amazing.

if anybody would like to comment on the bestiary go for it...

what you like
what you don't like
good templates
what works with just a little tweaking...

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this is a pretty good podcast that i got directed to for Pathfinder. if anyone on here ever watches the game geeks reviews on you tube with Kurt Wiegel, he is in the first episode.

it's mentioned in one of the first 2 episodes that Paizo will be releasing 3 books a year for Pathfinder. it is speculated that the breakdown will be 1 player book, 1 GM book, and 1 bestiary (monster manual)

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Thanks for the link, I'll definitely be checking it out over the next few days - I'm stuck at home with the flu, so anything that'll entertain me is welcome.

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This thread is neat for a guy who read a small bit of 4.0 and decided it wasn't what I wanted out of DnD.

I'm curious as hell about Pathfinder but my group actively plays/enjoys 3.5 so I have been wondering if a switch was worth it.

Sounds like kinda no, unless I'm missing some of the more salient points here?

Well, I prefer 3.5 and I certainly am happy to have converted over to it. Just off hand, I like the encounter building, most of the class changes, and the CMB system. Plus, now that the Bestiary is out, I love the monster layout and the new (but based on classic) monsters in the book.

That having been said, if you want to take a look at the system (and the monsters), all you have to do is look at this site, which Paizo put together themselves:

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/index.html

If you want to get a look at the actual artwork and layout of the books, you can pick up the PDFs of the Core Rules and the Bestiary for $10 a piece:

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/v5748btpy88yj

http://paizo.com/pathfinder/pathfinderRPG/v5748btpy85k5

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My group loves 3.5 and have been playing together since the tail end of 3.0. We thought the system was still fun and funtional, and we would have continued for years with 3.5 had Pathfinder not come out. Now that Pathfinder is out, we are pretty much completely switching over. We agree with the mindset behind the revisions to the base classes (no dead levels, relation between HD and BAB, the new favoured class mechanics, and scaling abilities), the new cross-class rules make room for new character concepts, and CMB is so much easier to manage. It is also the most support 3.5 material is receiving right now. Don't switch if you're happy. If you're even considering switching, however, now is just about the perfect time to do it.

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I can't comment on weather or not you should switch or not, mainly because i haven't actually used the system in a game yet, but i can mentions a few selling points...

the changes they made to each class are really nice. i won't go into too much detail but things like instead of the barbarian being able to rage X times per day, now they can rage X rounds per day, and don't worry there are PLENTY of rounds of rage to get you through the day, i think i figured at one point with an average CON you could get close to 40 rounds of rage per day.

more feats, no matter what you play you get a feat at every odd level, which comes out to 3 more feats then you get in 3.5. which means the possibility for more versatile, or more powerful character, depending on your play style.

domains(clerics), bloodlines(sorcerers), and schools of magic(wizards), all similar in what the do, but still unique in their specific class. for the wizard and sorcerers, they give them a bit more depth and character.

the skills system is A LOT better if you ask me, i think those that benefit the most are the classes that get very few skill points, they can use what they have in more ways to help motivate unique character concept.

it has been mentioned before, but i will mention it again. the combat maneuvers system for grapples and other such goodies is SO much better. you say you are an avid 3.5 so you know how annoying looking up and figuring stats for things like disarm, grapple, and trip is. pathfinder rolls it all up into a nice little package with easy to follow rules.
and lastly this is a small thing, but definitely helped me when i was wondering if i should shell out the $50 a print copy of the book. the art is gorgeous. it really gets your imagination going just thumbing through looking at the pictures.

well this ended up being longer than i thought, but i hope somebody finds it helpful.

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