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Not really. Think about it. Where is the force applied to a blast door? it is applied to the door its self. Which is pushed against the door frame. The blast door behaves like a pocket door so the direction the door moves and the direction a blast is applied to the door are at 90 degrees from each other. the locking mechanism does not have to be that strong because the door is heavy enough on its own to keep it in place.

also like picking a lock moving the pins to do so do not take a lot of effort. Just applying the force to the right place.

Is there an instance of that happening anywhere in Star Wars literature? I'm gonna say Obi-Wan's opening the door on Kamino doesn't count unless it's actually written that that's what he did.

Richter makes a good point, which I alluded to earlier:

Think about a safe room door. The main strength of the doorway is in the thick metal bars bolting the door to the floor and walls.

However, rather than making arguments based on speculation, it'd be best to identify specific situations where this occurred in the Star Wars universe and go from there.

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Obviously, you can run your games the way you want to. However, defenses, Thresholds, hitpoints, and Break DCs are there for a reason. Don't ignore them unless there's a good reason to ignore them. Even Jedi need obstacles to overcome.

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You may have a point. But I would still use the Break DC in this case.



Picking a lock requires very delicate movements and trained hands and fingers. Can you really manipulate the Force on such a level? When manipulating objects, the Force is usually used to pick up, grab, hold, or throw. But fine and delicate movements requires a higher level of Force usage, if it's even possible.

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I don't see why not. We see in many star wars sources do very fine movements with the force.

Such as?

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Anakin playing with fruit AOTC, Vader flipping the carbon freeze lever ESB, luke artfully manipulating a serving tray through a security grid to escape in Splinter of the Minds Eye, Obiwan opening and closing closets on Amidala's ship when stowing away enroute to Mustafar, Anakin locking down the rooms to execute the separatist leadership on Mustafar, Luke multitasking to levitate rocks, boxes, Artoo at the same time as farseeing, any jedi doing "formal/ritual" lightsabre construction, Luke simultaneously disarming....and later REARMING a dozen or so bombs on Cloud City (Marvel Comics "Hello Bespin, Goodbye"), the force cadences from D6 starwars jedi academy sourcebook, ....shall I go on? It is INCREDIBLY prevalent throughout the saga and the EU.

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Nothing officially, and the closest we get in the movies is Obi-Wan opening a door on Kamino in AotC, but that might be less "picking the lock" than "pressing the open button from a distance because I'm in a hurry."

Rules-wise, I'd use the Break DC of the door in question in order to "pick the lock" as it were. Locks are made to be fairly sturdy, but they're not infallible. If you succeed, the door is unlocked, but you may still need to pry it open, which I'd count as being a separate use of the Move Object power if your Jedi is going to do so via telekinesis.

As for other bits of "fine manipulation," my thought is to say that it can be done (Fulon's listed a bunch of examples from both movies and EU), but it requires greater finesse and precision than "brute force manipulation," the Force-user would take a -5 penalty to their Use the Force check, though as far as operating controls would go I'd limit it to things we see in the movies, such as flipping switches and pressing large buttons.

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The only thing that comes close to Durian Keldrona is talking about that I am aware of is that one door on Corellia that Corran Horn couldn't open because it had a hidden telekinetic release. I think it was in Betrayal. But even that was set up specifically to be worked with telekineses, and the Force user had to know where the catch was in the first place.

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Doesn't Move object have a line of sight requirement?

If you can't see the locking mechanism, you can't move it.

If you could use the force to disable door locks, why would it be found under the Mechanics skill?

Maybe make a force talent that lets you use your Force skill instead of mechanics for opening doors if that's what you want, but opening doors like a thief is not the jedi's role.

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and their is a force technique that removes line of sight issues. Sense surroundings.

For perception checks only. VERY important distinction to make.

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Good point, Lewin Suul.
Regarding the substitution deal, we actually had a post just recently wuth a homebrew power that did this, albeit with a lightsaber. viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10441

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Ouch! You just blew that out of the water. If you can't see the blast door's locking mechanism, then technically in your line of sight. Excellent point.




All good points.




The only thing in this list that comes close to the fine manipulation required to pick a lock is the lightsaber construction. Picking a lock requires very dextrous fingers, not clumsy hands. The Force is like a strong hand, not delicate fingers. If the lock can be bypassed with a simple movement, just as repositioning a lever, then that's fine. But actually "picking" a lock, such as a lock that requires a physical key that moves tumblers(like the ones on our front doors and cars), then I think you shouldn't be able to do that with the Force. At least, not without something other than "Move Object".

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