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 Post subject: Demon Hunter Concept
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:55 pm 
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I have been playing a lot Diablo 3 and loving the demon hunter idea, dual wielding hand crossbow. I was trying to come up with a character concept. The reloading hand crossbow takes a move action, but with the feat Rapid Reload it is turned to a free action. I this works with both the crossbow or if it only applies to only one. If this feat doesn't do this it will cause this concept fall apart. Can anyone help me out on this idea.


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 Post subject: Re: Demon Hunter Concept
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:57 pm 
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Kimyoufox wrote:
I have been playing a lot Diablo 3 and loving the demon hunter idea, dual wielding hand crossbow. I was trying to come up with a character concept. The reloading hand crossbow takes a move action, but with the feat Rapid Reload it is turned to a free action. I this works with both the crossbow or if it only applies to only one. If this feat doesn't do this it will cause this concept fall apart. Can anyone help me out on this idea.


well its a tricky one

yes the feat would let you reload both as a free action however its says in the hand crossbow entry that you can shoot, but not load, a hand crossbow with one hand at no penalty.

If your using two hand crossbows then technically you'd need a 3rd hand that would be free to help reload each as a free action.

If you come up with a really cool concept your GM may just let it fly.

If you really want to have this work RAW then you'd need to took at getting something like the vestigial arm discovery from the alchemist to provide you with an extra arm that could help reload. It would only require a 2 level dip into alchemist to get the discovery, plus that also opens you up to taking more feats with the extra discovery and there are alot of good discoveries which can enhance other classes.

On a side note have a look at the Master Chymist prestige class for alchemists gives brutal bonus damage to using simple weapons, a light crossbow is a simple weapon :wink: you could techincally have 2 vestigal arms and shoot and reload 2 light crossbows with your 4 arms and get a nice damage bump on the attacks


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 Post subject: Re: Demon Hunter Concept
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:47 pm 
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Here is a post I put on Paizo forums on this topic.

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I know that the hand crossbow is a one-handed weapon and I know that it requires a move action to reload this weapon by itself. Taking the rapid reload feat allows you to make this a free action. I have seen a discussion on this stating it still takes 2 hands to reload which makes no sense to me really. Let me go over the mechanics of why this make no sense.

Lets first look at the light crossbow. The light crossbow takes the exact same action as a hand crossbow to reload with or without the rapid reload feat. This weapon is a simple weapon meaning anyone that is proficient with simple weapons are able to use it, which I believe every starting class can use a light crossbow. This weapon does a 1d8 damage with a range of 80 ft. and only costs the player 35 gold. This weapon can be held in one hand with a -2 penalty on attack roll but still requires to hands to reload.

The hand crossbow is a exotic weapon that requires the player to take a feat to even use the weapon unless it comes as a class proficiency i.e. Rogue. Which means just to use the weapon you have to take a feat away from most classes. Weapon is only doing 1d4 damage with a range of only 30 ft. The cost of a standard hand crossbow is 100 gp and still require 2 hands to reload or suffer penalties (Which the book does not state what those penalties are "You may shoot, but not load, a hand crossbow with each hand, at no penalty" pg 145 crb).

The hand crossbow damage is 2 die size smaller then the light crossbow, cost is about x3 as much and requires the player to take a feat to use it. The only advantage the this has over the light hand crossbow is that it can be used as a 1h weapon with out any penalties. If a wielder is not able to dual wield with this weapon and reload it, what is the point of this weapon? A hand crossbow is basically have a very bad light crossbow.

In the core rule book it states that the hand crossbow can be reloaded by hand unlike the light crossbow which is a lever. So please tell me why a hand crossbow is even a option if not to be dual wield with another weapon like a melee weapon or another hand crossbow. What makes it a good option to use at all. If their isn't one the I suggest making the weapon a simple weapon and reduce the cost of the item. There is no reason crappier version of a weapon cost so much to use unless it has a reason for being that expensive.

If someone can enlighten me on this reason I would really appreciate it.


I can actually imagine still using to hands to load while still holding the crossbow since the crossbows can be reloaded by hand unlike the light crossbow. It is kinda like holding your keys in one hand and dialing on your other hand. There is technically something in your hand but you can still use a finger or two too perform a action of pulling back a string to cock the crossbow and loading a bolt. An it states it requires two hands with no penalty, what is this penalty?


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